Problem with Alps

Ciao Otto,
An intelligent packager would be the definitive solution for everyone!!
Maybe will take time to get it "unerring" but we learnt from Alps experience that community is really patient.
Until that moment route creators have to pay attention and include "everything" the route needs in the Asset setup.
In the future this process will take more time considering routes will be made mostly by custon object...that means several assets.

Further to Bremen he is a moderator of www.trenomania.it. (RS section of course)
I think is on holyday now :-)

he will use new assets fo sure...considering we are going to delete the few non italian objects still present.
Claudio Mussa (the stations creator) is working on new bridges while someone else is working on new buildings with hd textures.
Anyway, we will package everything with RSTMB...
I'm not sure if we release an update or a completely new package.
What i know for sure is that we will not use RS packager ;-)

Thanks to Chris (basherz) reminding me to use the RS_Tools_TMB "Check for Missing Stock" option, I found the answer to the last missing piece of the PERFECT ALPS route puzzle. :-)

This "Merci Per Cimalago"'s MERCI 2 AI service problem was caused by it looking for a Diesel\BR294\Blue\Engine\br294.bin which does not exist, it's add-on having been installed as Diesel\BR294\294blue\Engine\br294.bin !

Am about to upload the modified and now complete ALPS rolling stock to: www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/rs/alps-rolling-stock.zip
and all previous downloads now using the modified Routes.xml and any further enhancements to the ALPS route should now work everywhere using my downloads, providing that Pedro does not use new Assets and Rolling stock add-ons, he will have to include with his update !

CIAO, O t t o.

RS Downloads: www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/rs

finally you got it.
Main thing is that you/Mike found the solution.
Pedro is expanding the route and soon he will release a new version.
I'll absolutely tell him to use RSTMB to make the new package...

So..let's try to make a summary of what happen.
1)Some users could not see the route in the list, even if it was regularly installed.
2)Thanks to Mike's Missing bit, you were able to see some assets required were missing.
3)this is supposed to be the problem!! (isn't it??)
If this introduction is correct, why am I able to load the route even if i miss some assets to??
Why after replacing the xml file with the fixed one the route can be seen??
Sorry if too many questions, but i like to understand problems!! :-)

P.S How do i check by TMB the assets required?

Hi Luca !

"Do you think that in general, is better to use RSMB instead of the packager??"

Absolutely !!! The RSPackager has to install add-ons into the RS Registry Path, whereas Mike's RouteSetup.exe gives installers the option to install them into other copies of the Rail Simulator folder, I have 6 of for testing various RS things ! :-)

If it were not for his RS_Tools_TMB.exe and the KRS Route Analyzer I could not have fixed your route, nor packaged it sensibly ! :-)

He is now working on his packager to automatically include Freeware assets the route uses which are installed in the route creator's Assets folders !

It is now ready for distribution, packaged by the above into 2 downloads:

alps-route-stock.zip - 133 Mb -contains the V1.01, all the rolling stock it needs, my rails and the Named Route Markers.
alps-assets.zip - 160 Mb - contains all the freeware add-on scenery objects, etc, the route needs.

All of it is working now, including the "Merci per Cimalago" scenery, alas without the Merci 2 AI service, which caused the "Failed to Load" in my RS and the views are still hazy until you can find out what Bremen 79's solution is.

If I can fix that too then will upload both ALPS ZIPS to my web site for you to download and then put them onto your's !

High demand for the downloads could exhaust the monthly downloads Bandwidth I am paying my web site's host for ! :-(

CIAO, O t t o.

RS Downloads: www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/rs

Do you think that in general, is better to use RSMB instead of the packager??

Hi Everyone

I have downloaded Alps v1.rar file, installed both rpk files but then in doc file its asks to move files from "caricamento" folder into another for loading RS screen. I cannot find this "caricamento" folder. could someone tell me where it would be located. I have tried searching my computer but no results

Thanks Michail

I finally tracked down the problem.

This scenario uses 4 AI services, Merci 2, Intercity, IC 4532 & ES 4565. Found the Intercity and ES 4565 in the scenario and made them STATIC consists and not being able to locate the other 2 removed them from the scenario's Scenario.bin !

No more "Failed to load" ! :-)

So it I restored the "Merci per Cimalgo" Scenario.bin BACK-UP and removed one after the other of the AI services, test-running the scenario after each removal and it was not until I removed the Merci 2 driver paragraph that the scenario loaded O.K. !

Restored the Scenario.bin again and only removed the Merci 2 and the scenario still loaded O.K !

Had the KRS Route Analyzer check the scenario and it reports that there is no Blueprint for the MERCI 2 AI consist's BR294, of which I have the original and 2 other colored ones in my Assets folder !

O.K., that is now getting near the end of making this route perfect and perhaps Pedro can tell us which type of BR294 he has used for the MERCI 2 AI in this scenario, I do not have !

Mike Simpson is working on a version of his RS_Tools_TMB Route Packager, which will include all the Freeware add-on assets the routes uses, but not the rolling stock, which I may assemble into just one ZIP for easy installation using his RouteSetup.exe ! :-)

Did the same with all the German rolling stock the WUPPER-EXPRESS-10 and 11 use.

CIAO, O t t o.

RS Downloads: www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/rs

Pedro has not that folder .
It's not necessary for the route.
Mine is working fine and i don't have it.

i have a SAD folder in my asset..
but no folders called "network" inside...No trace of the bin you ask for.
In my opinion the packager is joking us and it just requires files nobody has :-)
Let me see if Pedro has this in his Assets...

I can't load a scenario to."Merci per Cimalago"
I checked but everything seems to be ok.
OTTO you said 2 scenarios failed to load...i guess one is the same and the second??

ciao Otto,
i was talking about the route problems...not the scenario one.
My God...i though scenarios didn't load because of missing rolling stock...but it seems there're other problems.
I think the most important thing is to understand WHY this happens to some users while the others have no problems.
Of course we assume that everybody has the official RS and MK1 installed...

So you confirm that everything worked fine since the 1st installation??
i think , like you,that missing assets is not the real problem.
You can even install just the route without the objects, and you should be able to see that in the list.
I'm glad you like the route, and i'm happy to say that Pedro is working to expand it!

Otto i just read on AT.net that an Italia user had same problem...
I suggest him your route version, he tryed but still no route in the list.
He finally fixed with the new route.xml i just linked.
It's becoming funny...
it seems that is very difficult to share complex routes with many 3rd party FREE objects ;-)

here you find the route.xml fix and the RAR with rolling stocks.
http://www.railsimulator.com/en/node/3825
REMEMBER TO MAKE A BACKUP OF YOUR ORIGINAL ROUTE.XML as the fixed one only contains the 4 default routes and of Course Alps :-)
That means for example you will not see the american route.
I hope Adam will read this and try to figure out...
In the meanwhile as Otto wrote: Enjoy the scenery!!!
Ciao!

Those who are having problems running the route after installing it can download my stand-alone freeroam only scenario copy of it, which supplies most of the Assets they may not have installed and should run "out of the box" !

After Luca has released the updated with required rolling stock and the fixed Routes.xml route, I am looking forward to, it too should run on all computers which have my ALPS-OTTO.zip download installed.

Users of my copy of the route can then replace the Class 166 FGW I have used in most of the GPS Named Route Marker locations with more appropriate for the route rolling stock ! :-)

O t t o

RS Downloads: www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/rs

ok Guys...
i see there more trouble than benefits :-)
I'm very sorry for that because route is beatiful and was made to be shared with you guys.
Thia afternoon i'm going to make a big RAR file with all the rolling stock included.
I'll link that at the beginning of the "Italian route Alps" 3ed (here http://www.railsimulator.com/en/node/3825)
Further to the other problem, Pedro confirmed is a route.xml problem.
This are datas should be present in route xml file after Alps is installed:

I have both Alps and Ottos-Alps installed and running.

I will list the steps I have taken, some may be relevant, some may not be.

After installing Alps for the second or third time,I used RS Tools the missing bits to get a list of missing items.

I then created those items in my assets folder by hook or by crook, sometimes copying existing similar items and renaming them with the missing bin file name (including the missing Track Rules from the SAD assets - I used a copy of the Sieg_Hage_Main.bin file and renamed it) In the case of one of the Ice assets, I had the asset but the character set naming the folder and the asset did not match the character set in the RS tools list of missing items, so I recreated the asset with the new charater set.

None of the above actions made a difference (yet)

I deleted the ALPs route using RS tools again.

I then redownloaded the route from the web, this time using Internet Explorer instead of Opera. I noted that the downloaded file was 10 meg larger than the previous download from Opera, although the two .rpk files themselves were the same size.

I reinstalled the Alps V1.0.rpk again ( I did not mess with the Oggetti.rpk as I had already doctored up my assets folder)

I started Rail Simulator again and still Alps was not a listed route.

I went to the create new route screen, and the Alps route was available as a template, so I created a new route using the Alps template.

I then deleted the new route because it was just a test to see what would happen with the route creation.

By this time I was thoroughly disgusted, so I went back to RS tools one more time to delete the Alps route that I had reinstalled, and noted that it was not a listed route in RS tools.

I then went and once again reinstalled the Alps V1.0.rpk one more time using the latest download from IE, and lo and behold, when I started Rail Simulator, Alps was a listed route, and I was able to run the Free Roam scenario.

My interest was whetted at this point, so I reinstalled Otto's version of Alps one more time, and it too became a selectable route in Rail Simulator, and I was able to run his scenario.

So all that said, I do not know if my hacking of my own Assets folder , clearing out the vestigial Alps template from the new routes area, using the better downloaded file from IE, or any combination of the above that made this thing work, but it finally does.

so the problems come from missing some objects?
Why it didn't happen with you, me or Vlad??
The package is the same...

I was just about to report the same, TS.com members having made me aware of.

Having Mike Simpson's RS_ Tools_TMB check the route it finds scores of missing assets from ICE, SAD and many others, I have installed but they have not.

They should be included in the download so that it will run "Out of the Box".

I usually create a Freeroam scenario copy of routes I like so that I can customize them to my requirements, not disturbing the original. That way I do not have to worry about having to download lots of rolling stock, using what I got already !

Below are screenshots from my copy of the basic RS installed from DVD plus the Mark-1 update, I can test installing routes into to make sure that the ones I release work everywhere and if not then include the assets they need, as long as doing that does not infringe RSDL Copyright ! :-)

O t t o

RS Downloads: www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/rs

In reviewing my Routes.xml file I note the following items listed for RBlueprintSetPreLoad> that do not exist in my assets folder:

iBlueprintLibrary-cBlueprintSetID d:id="610680000">
Provider d:type="cDeltaString">Developer
Product d:type="cDeltaString">Mcs

iBlueprintLibrary-cBlueprintSetID d:id="610680040">
Provider d:type="cDeltaString">TRENOMANE87
Product d:type="cDeltaString">SVTO

iBlueprintLibrary-cBlueprintSetID d:id="610680056">
Provider d:type="cDeltaString">SAD
Product d:type="cDeltaString">Network

I have compared the Alps entry in the Routes.xml file with the Hagen to Siegen default route and find no discrepencies in the file, other than the blueprint preload section as mentioned above, and in the Ghost Train entry which requires a HST consist that the Hagen Siegen route does not mention:

MaxGhostTrains d:type="sInt32">1
GhostServiceFrequency d:type="sFloat32" d:alt_encoding="000000000000F03F" d:precision="string">1.0000
GhostEntry>
cRouteBlueprint-sGhostConsist d:id="62893888">
ConsistName d:type="cDeltaString">HST Consist1.0000
/cRouteBlueprint-sGhostConsist>
/GhostEntry>

Note that a great deal of my pasted text was deleted when the above message was posted.

In reviewing my Routes.xml file I note the following items listed for that do not exist in my assets folder:

Developer
Mcs

TRENOMANE87
SVTO

SAD
Network

I have compared the Alps entry in the Routes.xml file with the Hagen to Siegen default route and find no discrepencies in the file, other than the blueprint preload section as mentioned above, and in the Ghost Train entry which requires a HST consist that the Hagen Siegen route does not mention:

1
1.0000

HST Consist
1.0000